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IMO, the claim that modern Chinese sources contradict a previous consensus could be a powerful arguement for the change, but that arguement has only be hinted at so far.

At present, the only advocates for the change are too unfamiliar with WP procedure and, based on their writing so far, too little skilled in expressing themselves in English for it to be likely they can mount a clear enough arguement to prevail in this English-language forum - except with "hand-holding" that is likely to put excessive demands on others involved in the discussion.

Switching the name at this time would accommodate the DJy PoV to the detriment of the clarity of the more developed one, and overturn the status quo, without a convincing showing of a need for the change.

DZ is the older article (by a factor 13 months to 2), with 7 edits by registered users compared to one by an IP (and a rebuttal in DZ by an IP), and can safely be called the better developed article.

DZ already existed when DJy was created, and while it can be argued that the DJy article should replace the DZ one (by means of a rename and editing), creating a competing article is a wrong step and must be remedied by merging.On the other hand, there are several reasons for carrying out the merge in the direction of, for the time being, keeping Da Zuorong as an article and turning Dae Jo young into a redirect to it: There is a matter of fact, or perhaps just of nuance, at issue here, and i am not qualified to decide it. If you think Bohai never sent envoys to Japan, you are seriously mistaken. The primary source Bezant mentioned are diplomatic records of envoys that Bohai sent to Japan. The Korean historical records that writes Da Zuorong as a Goguryeo general are and.

Therefore, the category should be Category:Rulers of Korea since his kingdom controlled some part of the Korean Peninsula. It is not clear which "Korean" means in this context, ethnicity or geography, and if it is the former, then it is Korean POV. Which source claims this? - Nanshu 01:08, (UTC)Ĭategory:Korean rulers can be misleading. Hehe, can you cite your primary source? In the first place Bohai did not sent envoys to Japan during his reign. We cannot confirm that 'he declared himself "King of Goguryeo,".' - Nanshu 01:08, (UTC) It seems that Da Zuorong's Jin Kingdom did not make contact with the Tang Dynasty until they were reconciled in 700s because the powerful Gokturk exercized its influence on the region between them.

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All we know about the conflict with the Tang Dynasty is a series of battles which ended in the Battle of Tianmenling. "many conflicts with Tang China" are not confirmed. 218.48.41.229 spoke these adjectives at random.Īfter many conflicts with Tang China, he declared himself "King of Goguryeo," in relation to his Goguryeo backround. Of course, "more accurate" and "influential" are groundless. Instead of checking historical sources, 218.48.41.229 exercised his/her imagination. In fact, Korean records do not make a significant contribution to the history of Bohai.Ģ18.48.41.229 knew that some Koreans claim Da Zuorong was Korean, but did not know which records their claim is based on. As you know, both the Jiutangshu and Xintangshu are Chinese records, not Korean ones.

As I explained at Talk:Bohai#Genealogy of the royal family, these Koreans put much faith in the Jiutangshu and degrades the Xintangshu for nationalistic reasons. If he/she means Samguk Sagi or so, that's wrong. I don't know what "more accurate Korean records" refer to. While more accurate Korean records state that he was an influential general of Goguryeo. Maybe the starter provided accurate information, but while it was passed by those who didn't check the sources, it became hopelessly inaccurate. It looks like 218.48.41.229 played Chinese whispers (or Korean whispers?). 3.1 History of former article "Dae Jo young".3 Pre-merge histories of the two "lineages".